We pick up
the recorded interview in Herminio's words: (this txt up-read on link here | 2)
(Herminio had
been a Jehova withess pastor for many years, and was well eduacated-
and the investigator here; Rudolfo R. Casellato, writes the withness
here seemed to be very honest, and credible, and after this adventure,
he has got a bigger view on God, the universe, and religion).
"Bianca and I
were travelling from Rio de Janeiro to Belo Horizonte on a highway that
connects both capitals. When we were close to the city of Juiz de Fora,
in the state of Minas Gerais, and also near the city of Mathias
Barbosa, which is before the city of Juiz de Fora, I began to feel very
sleepy.(map at the bottom at this site) I told Bianca I am going to
stop the car here in order to rest for a while. I am going to close my
eyes for 15 or 20 minutes because I am so tired. And I did that. My
car was a Karman Ghia, 1965, yellow color, and this was on January
12th, 1976.
"it was night
time, about 11:30 at night, and I stooped the car on the shoulder of
the highway and reclined myself in the seat and fell right to sleep.
Bianca was awake and smoking as she looked ahead up the road. I had
told her not to sleep because we might sleep too long and I had a very
important meeting in Belo Horizonte, and I should be there in the
morning. So she should wake me in 20 minutes and we would proceed with
the trip. I always did that, stopping along the road to sleep for a
little while, and I always travelled during the night because I liked
to drive at night. I also needed the day for work. At that time I was
also selling the Encyclopedia Brittanica. I was going to meet friends
in Belo Horizonte also.
"Bianca later
told me how everything started. She said that she saw a light in the
sky, and that light was moving from one side to the other, like a hot
air balloon. (In Brasil people rnake hot air balloons of silk paper
with a candle or wad of oil-soaked rag inside to heat the air) We used
to live in Rio where people release balloons like this the year round.
As Bianca, if I was wake I also would have considered it a balloon. I -
or we, never thought that flying saucers existed, or extra-terrestrials
and their spacecraft. I was a Pastor of the Jehova's Witnesses Church,
and as pastor and head of the congregation, I would not have accepted
any idea of the existence of other life in other worlds, no matter who
told me.
"It so
happened that the light was getting closer to the car, and Bianca was
disturbed by the luminosity in the sky. She found that "balloon" beautiful,
and suddenly had the impression that it fell because the light went
out. and that was all. Then suddenly she saw a glow on the ground, like a lightning
flash, ahead and to her right, but out of the road, and she thought it
might be a short-circuit in the high tension lines along the road
there. She was concentrating on the light when she saw a black shadow.
the shape of the craft that
took the whole car into a bigger mothership was something like this
acc. to the drawing in the book - but picture here is not from the book!
The night was
dark but she could still see something coming from the sky, and passing
directly over the car! At that point she screamed, and that scream woke
me up. It was a scream of terror! 'Herminio, an airplane is going to
fall on the car,' Bianca screamed! I woke up frightened, and at that
moment I was paralyzed in position. I was trying to get out of the car
and I was paralyzed in that position. I tried to overcome the power but
was helpless.
I was
completely paralyzed,... feeling a strange sensation, like everything
inside me wanted to come out of my mouth. The sensation that I felt at
that moment was like an elevator trip at high velocity. I do not
remember how long that took. I can only say that everything stopped as
quickly as it started. My movements were free again and normal.
Suddenly it was no longer night, but like I was under the sun in
daylight. I was under a light like the mid-day sun, and I was no longer
on the road, and was still in my car! We were all inside a round room,
where the light a luminous light, was coming from the wall sides. It
was like if I was inside a light bulb, but the only place that was not
illuminated was the ceiling. In the ceiling was a large apparatus that
looked like an exhaust ventilator. And we were frightened. What could
this be? I want to leave the car but Bianca is holding me saying,
'Don't go out', and she was crying. I was frightened and my heart was
beating very hard. I could never think that I was being kidnapped, and
I don't know if this is the correct word, but kidnapped by a flying
saucer, because I was not a person that would be attracted to this type
of studies, about saucers and ETs, because I was completely ignorant in
this respect. And Bianca also, like me, was ignorant on the subject.
"Besides the
apparatus I saw on the ceiling, there were also smaller appliances
around the room. And there was a curious thing ahead of us, and I could
see it from my seat inside the car. A stair, aluminium color, went up
in a curve, ending on the top of the ceiling of the room we were in.
But there was no opening, so why would it end in the ceiling? Start
from the floor and end in the ceiling, and it was not in a spiral but a
gentle curve going up. We were there sitting in the car and looking at
that room, worried. I was trying to calm Bianca, telling her that it
could be possible that we were being taken by Americans -- american
Scientists -- or Russians, and possibly we were mistaken for somebody,
like scientists, or something like that, and possibly when they would
find out their mistake they would release us, and let us go. Maybe we
were not the important persons they were looking for. A confusion must
have been made some-place. But we could never stop thinking that we
were inside something that came from the sky, like a flying saucer! So,
Sr. Casellato, at the top of that stair, in the ceiling, a hole was
suddenly visible, like a round covering was open, and we were upset
wondering what would come through that hole!
Rodolfo-(the interviewer)
Was there anybody in that room beside you?
Herminio- No.
We were alone inside the car and the apartus was all around us, and in
that beautiful illumination. Suddenly a man started coming down the
stair, and after him another one! Two men were coming down, and they
seemed to talk with someone that was on the upper floor from where they
came. It seemed that somebody was asking them a question, and they
would respond and answer. That would mean there should be another room
beside the one we were in at that moment. And then they came up close
to us. We saw that they were two men, very tall, a little over 2.0
meters tall. They were wearing white overalls, and they were coming up
to us while they were talking. They were smiling, with beautiful white
teeth. The skin was like a bronze color, and I thought what kind of
people are they?
Germans?
Russians? Or what race were they? I also noticed when they came closer
that that skin color I had never seen before. They were very beautiful
people, with large green eyes, oblique, but the eyes were positioned a
little different from our own. Our eyes end at the side of the head in
a point. But their eyes were just the opposite. The point was close to
the nose and not at the side of the head. They looked like oriental
eyes, but in reverse. We see oriental eyes pulled to the sides, but
theirs was reversed and pulled to the front, towards the nose, and the
round end was at the side of the head. They were very nice looking.
They had nice long black hair, worn to the neck,
and neatly
cut horizontally across the bottom. While they were approaching, I
noticed that their coverall was brilliant, giving the impression that
the color would change with the ambient light. When they came closer, I
started talking and cursing them, and trying to start a fight, and
yelling at them, 'Who are you people! What do you want with us? Why did
you do this? Where are we?' And I was gesturing and insisting in more
questions and more questions still.
Rodolfo- What kind of
language did they speak?
Herminio- I
will come to that. T'hey were talking in a language very similar to
French, at least it sounded like that to me, seemed to be close to it.
I don't speak French but I know the meaning of some words and I know
when I hear it. I saw that it was like French, but it was not French...
One of them went behind my car and the other went to the right side of
the car and made a gesture to Bianca to get out of the car, which she
did helped by me because the door on her side would get stuck and I had
to hit it with my hand to open it. My car was an old one, and I had the
impression that he already understood that because he helped me open
the door. When Bianca was getting out he took her arm, and without
waiting for an invitation I went out the door on my side and was taken
by the hand of the other one who had gone around the back of the car. I
hit his hand trying to make him let go. I am not too tall, so I was
near the height of his belly button. I was feeling like a dwarf, and
that strong warm hand was holding my arm, and I was trying to get
myself free from him with no success. I had the impression that he was
holding us in the air. And so in this way we were going in the
direction of a hole that was in the floor behind the car. We went down
by a stair, and then I understood why they were holding us all the
time. It was because we could not feel the ground (floor)!!!
Rodolfo-
Does that mean you were skidding on the floor? Herminio- No. We were light, very light, and could
not walk normally. I had the impression that we were like stepping and
not finding the step.
Rodolfo- Loss of equilibrium?
Herminio-
Yes, exactly, loss of equilibrium. You step on the ground but you don't
feel it .. .even though you are
on the
ground. Up to now there was nothing about flying saucers, nothing about
..... I thought at that moment that they were people from here, that
they had gotten us by mistake and were going to do some experiment with
us. And there I really became afraid, because they were people
completely umknown to us. And in my mind I was connected to God, with
Jehova, and I thought I was having a bad dream, something bad, that
could not be real, and I wanted to wake up from this situation! As soon
as we got down we reached a metal floor, and I was looking up, looking
at where I came from, and I looked around. I had the lmpression that we
were in a hangar, also round but very big, maybe the size of a city
block, real big one... And there, there were many objects, like the
same one from which we were taken, and there were smaller and bigger
craft also. But in the center there was a bigger one!
Rodolfo- In the form of a
discus?...
Herminio- No,
they were more like fire-fighter hats, higher in the middle. It was
like the discs (UFOs) that are usually seen today, but the upper part
was much taller. There were no windows, but in certain parts of the
craft we could see outside. From the outside you can't see in but from
the inside we were able to see out, but as mentioned, only from certain
parts of the ship, in a place that looked like a windshield.
Rodolfo- What color was this
window? And the craft?
Herminio-
They were a little different from the rest of the wall, but it was
dull, like the other parts inside, and the color was like a lead color.
I did not have a chance to come closer but saw it from a distance. The
ships looked from outside like they were made from aluminium.... From
outside we could see that it was like aluminium in color, but in these
places that I call win-dows the aluminium was a little lighter color,
so we were able to distinguish it. Outside, in the outer part, the
round part, when they start to depart, a ring, where there is another
ring that looks like it is made of crystal, clear crystal, they became
incandescent...
Rodolfo- Is it clear as
crystal.
Herminio- I
do not know if it like a crystal... look like crystal? is crystal. It
is clear that the ring is like
the energy
collector, they said that this mechanism that they called a "montagem"
(assembly), collects electrons from the air, the electrons that come
from our sun, and the electrons charge the batteries, and the batteries
take the electrons to the engines of the ship. That is why when they
come close to a car, it lose all its electrical power, and when going
over a city it makes the city go dark, because they use all the
electrons that are in the wires, and they suck up all the energy,
electrical energy that is made by electrons. When they come close, or
fly low, it is like they take that energy with them...
Rodolfo- Did you travel in
one of those machines?
Herminio- I
told you that. I was taken by one of the machines, and that one went
into a bigger machine, that I now know is called a mother-ship. I did
not see the mother-ship from outside; and I did not walk through it
while I was there inside. This is a drawing I am making so you can see
how it was. It was landed on three supports like this...
(sketching). I am not a good artist but this will give you an idea of
the shape of the ship. From the "hangar" we went to a wall and a door
opened like the doors you see in a super market, or airports, opened to
the sides, in two parts, one goes to the left and the other to the
right at the same time. When we were walking to the wall I saw no door
and I was upset, then the wall opened up and we got into an elevator
there.
Something
like we already know here. When the door opened again we came out into
a room, of a squared shape, filled with apparatus, and they were ugly.
They were the same color as the walls. We had the impression that the
room was empty, but it was filled with these apparatus. They were
spread out and joined to the walls, and now the light was not coming
from the walls, but from the ceiling, like the sunlight and Must as
brilliant, but with no central light focus or source. And
interestingly, there were some seats that did not look like the kind we
are accustomed to. They were not similar to our chairs or lounges, but
were like two cylinders, round and tall. They made us sit there, and
when we sat there it felt very soft, very sensitive and after you sat
or while you were sitting they took the form of your body and then is
transformed into a
lounge and
they followed your movements whether you shifted left or right or lay
back. If you lay down it is a bed. But our feet did not touch the floor
because they were tall. Possibly they were made for them being such
tall people and not for us who were like dwarfs compared to them.
"It was there
that they performed on us many kinds of physical examinations. They
passed an instrument the size of your recorder (a mini-recorder)
through our arms and it felt like the hair on the skin stood up. At
that moment we felt a kind of anesthesia or numbness, and the
instrument was taking some readings but I don't know what they were.
Later they used an apparatus like a looking glass that was made like a
tube, like the one an ophthalmologist uses to look into your eyes
(possibly a light conducting glass rod. or some kind of fibre-oMic type
viewing instrument). When he used this apparatus I had the impression
that he would press a button and the whole instrument glowed with red
light, and the light was the same color as the energy collector that I
mentioned before. And he was looking with this inside our eyes, like as
if he could see behind our eyes into our brains and parts inside, or
maybe' he was examining our eye structure. He did not say what he was
doing so I do not know... Later, they placed us inside a transparent
box that seemed to be made of glass. First they put Bianca inside it,
through a door that opened in one of the sides. There were two red
lights that emitted a di-fuse red light, one in the top and one in the
side, but I did not see what they showed. After Bianca was put inside
the box it started turning red... and Bianca was bathed in that red
light on all sides. From outside I could hardly see Bianca inside... I
could only see her shadow inside, and I became desperate...
Rodolfo- And how was Bianca
feelinq?
Herminio- I
don't know. She was standing there inside, standing still... I did not
know what was happening because very little could I see of what was
happening to her. I tried to get up and get closer to the box, and to
save Bianca, because I thought she might be getting fried or baked
alive... or killing her because the light was the color of fire. One of
these beings placed his hand over my shoulder and kept me there seated….
(From
page 145 continues)
And I was
talking without interruption, very nervous with fear, and very
frightened. Because at that time I came to the conclusion that we were
inside of a "flying saucer". I had told Bianca before that if we were
inside a flying saucer we would never get back home! And according to
the little I had heard about them, people picked up by them would end
up crazy. That's what some people said of these things. By now I was
certain that I was inside one of these machines, but I was not sure if
they really were from another planet... because, according to what I
had learned from the Bible, life originated here on Earth, and that is
what I also used to teach... that life had originated here from Adam
and Eve, and never in space!
"Well after
some time the light was diminishing, till everything was clear again
and they had Bianca removed and she was allright, and then they put me
inside and then I knew what that red light does to the body. The light
paralizes you, and besides that, all the hair on your body stands up
and you have the impression that you and your whole body gets bigger,
swollen and the whole body goes into a nameless condition. There is a
high point and then it starts diminishing until it is completely gone
and you are back in your normal state. They open the door and you get
out and they do not explain anything. Until that moment was not
answered to me anything despite the fact that I was always asking them
questions... And I came to the conclusion that they did not understand
what I was saying, and we did not understand what they were saying.
Later, they touched my chest with another apparatus, and then the
bottom of that thing came out and hit my chest and I became
unconscious, I blanked out...
Bianca told
me later that, after that one of them left, and she was standing there
alone with the other one, and me unconscious. Bianca was crying
desperately because she thought I was killed and were dead! He seemed
to understand the nervousness and desperation of Bianca. She wished to
come closer to me but he would not let her. He was making a gesture to
her by putting his fingers close to his nose and breathing heavily,
trying to make her understand that I was alive! Bianca was not
comforted and was not satisfied by his explanations and was still very
nervous. It was then that he took a small apparatus and pointing it at
objects items inside that room, would make them fly close to the face
of Bianca, and make them float and perform manoeuvres there in the air.
He smiled and seemed to want to call Bianca's attention to these
effects so she would stop worrying about me. Soon I started removing,
showing that I was alive, and I tried to sit up, and at that moment I
was conscious of everything that was happening. When the being that
left before returned to the room, they came close to me and Bianca and
took now Bianca by the arm and me by the hand, and took us to another
room where the walls looked like they were made of polished silver.
There were enormous machines inside that room. It was a very silent
place, almost impossibly silent! A feeling of peace and tranquillity.
Rodolfo- A
mystic silence?
Herminio- I
don't know if it was mystic or not.. .1 could not even think or
rationalize on that... Again they have us seated in lounges of the same
type as before, and now they are telling me by signs that they are
going to put some equipment on our heads, which they then proceeded to
do, a helmet filled with wires and little lights. They put these things
on me and Bianca. They also put on our arms an apparatus like a large
bracelet. It was connected to something by wires. Then they seated
them-selves in other seats. I was facing Bianca and they were facing
both of us. At our sides there was a big equipment console that went
from floor to ceiling, covered also with lights, indicators, and other
things of that kind, and also what looked like buttons and knobs. I do
not know what they were for. And then a third person came into the
room, because until that moment I only knew two people. The third took
a look at us and went to the machine connecting all the cables that
were around on the floor. He connected the cables to the machine that
was at our side. He also connected the big bracelet that we had, with
wires, to another small box that was at one side. With Bianca he did
the same thing. He took the wires that were coming from her helmet and
connected them to the two extraterrestrial's helmets, and then he left
saying nothing to anybody. But I noticed something interesting. They
look as if they were all twins, they all looked the same!
There was only a slight difference between them. One may be a little
taller than the other. Later I was to find that they were all like
that, because they are all of one race only. On their planet there is
only one race and one type of people. They call their planet Terra
(like we call our Earth in Portugese --Terra).
After the
third man left they started talking to each other. One of them had a
large aparatus on his lap, that he was working on, like a calculator,
with an old style adding machine, filled with a lot of small lights. He
was working with this machine while talking to the other. Colored
lights went on and off as he was talking and operating that machine on
his lap. Here on Earth he would be considered a vary fast typist by the
way he was operating the machine. While he was typing on that machine
lights would light up in the helmet on his head, and in the one on the
other also, and in the machine beside us the lights were running fast.
A blue light like an electric welder's torch would also shoot through
the console and we were enchanted by the beauty of the lights. Suddenly
Bianca said to me, 'now, they are talking to me.' But I was not hearing
anything and I said, 'Why aren't they talking to me also? What are they
telling you?' ..
He had
directed his attention to Bianca and was talking to her, and I heard
Bianca saying, 'Thank you, thank you, and who are you?' But I could not
hear the answers. I could only see Bianca's head nodding, meaning that
she was understanding what they were saying. Then he made a signal to
Bianca meaning that he was going to stop, and directed his attention to
me. Then suddenly I heard in my ears (the helmets had a bulge in the
side like earphones) and I heard a voice in Portugese saying to me, 'Be
welcome,' and I was surprised by this. I did not handle myself as
calmly as Bianca. She looked calm. I do not remember if I answered his
greeting. I didn't know what to do. I felt a blank in my mind, a kind
of confusion.
That came to
my mind since I was a very religious man who would not believe in
"flying saucers", and a man who thought that the flying saucers were
not from heaven, but something that came from the devil; the first
thing that came to my mind was to ask him, 'who are you? ...And he
answered, 'I am Karran.'
And
Immediately I asked him, 'Karran, from where, from what nation?' And he
answered. 'From no nation!!' 'How no nation?... From another planet?'
And then the answer was positive. 'Yes, from another land.'
How?... From
another land?'
I asked...
'How from another land! If the Bible does not say anything about
this...'
Karran- 'We
are from other land, and from a distance not known yet to the men of
your land...
Herminio-
And suddenly the facts from the Bible came to my mind and I thought I
was talking with the devil himself, and I started to exorcise, 'In the
name of Jesus I want you to be gone!...' And I raised my voice
eloquently and I started throwing over him all my knowledge, my
biblical knowledge, and I was thinkinq that all this was a vision, that
it was not real, and that it was prepared by the devil himself, and I
started to exorcise again. I was quoting bible texts. I involved the
name of Jesus, and so on, and so on, until I emptied all my knowledge
about the subject! and my voice was going lower and low..... and I was
looking to him and him looking at me, without any interferrence.
He never
stopped me. He let me speak until the end of my voice... until I was w
then I stopped. And he kept looking at me silently and probing my
thoughts. Then there was a deep silence, and then I heard his voice
talking to me in my own language, in Portugese...
Karran- 'I
am Karran. Did you finish?...'
Herminio-
'Yes!' And then he asked....
Karran- 'Do
all the people in your land think like you?..'
Herminio-
'No!...' And then deep within myself, I said to myself, 'How stupid I
am! How stupid I am!!' And in that moment I felt sorry for myself. I
felt sorry for not knowing before things relating to Ufos and
extraterrestrial beings, or even science fictions. I was not a person
interested in this subject and was never interested... and that hurt me
in some way. As you see, Casellato, I went over him with Bible facts,
and everything, and I asked him, 'Is there religion in your land, where
you come from?' . Because I was a religious man and I had to know if he
was a religious man like myself! And I asked him again, 'Is there
religion in your land?' and he answered...
Karran-
'There is no need for religion. We do not have need for religion.'
(He was
speaking in his language, but the machine was translating it into
Portugese for our ears, and when we talked the machine would instantly
translate it into his language and he would hear the translation in his
own language.)
Herminio-
'But the Bible? Don't you have a bible?.. There there is the word of
god?'
And he said
that he knew of that document, that we call Bible, from people from our
earth... I found this strange, but since I was not aware of all the
facts... I continued to ask about If he ever saw and if he had ever
come close to the presence of god... And if God is in a shape like
us... Well, you see, a man like me, who has been teaching all about God
for twelve years... was there asking of a stranger... asking everything
about God from somebody that was saying that he has no religion... And
I suddenly felt, from the way he was speaking, that he had a knowledge
about God that I could never imagine or think! He taught me not to
believe in the existence of any. But he had transmitted to me -- a
knowledge about God that I could never think of!! He taught me not to
believe in the existence of God... But the way to feel his existence,
HIS EXISTENCE!
So he was
saying that they love Him and respect Him by the ground that you step
on, and he showed me the floor, and we also walk on; by the air that
you breathe, and that we also breathe; and by the water that you drink,
and we too... And he continued to say that everything that you do,
whether to watch and admire or to feed yourself, dress, everything
comes from the supreme creator, and it is through all these things that
we love him and respect him... And that the answer that I want to know
about God was never answered to any living being here on this planet,
or to any other living being on any other planet, and that these are
answers that nobody has - who is God and where is He... or how He
really is...
And our
conversation was extending itself into religion. He returned many times
to talk with Bianca, and I could hear Bianca asking questions but could
not hear the answers, because they would talk, like on different
channels. When he spoke and gave answers to Bianca I could not hear.
The same happened when he spoke to me, Bianca could not hear it. I had
the impression that he wanted us to talk to him. And before he spoke
all of this to me, he said that I should calm and be tranquil. because
we would be returning to our land (soon), and it was then that I asked
him, where were we, and he said that the place where we were wasn't
important. What was important was where we had come from! That was the
matter of importance for them. I also asked other questions about their
planet, how they live, and we had a very interesting talk about that.
Because they
all seem to be of the same age, I asked him if they grow old as we do,
and he said that their age is not related to the age of matter, and I
found that strange -- that they do not get old.. They do not calculate
the time as we do; or the time of an existence. To illustrate, he said
that he was older than the oldest ancestor of Bianca! That means he
would have to be over 500 - 1,000 years old. And he looked young, like an age of 25 years...
Herminio- -
Do they look like they exist physically, like us.
Yes, They
were as physical as we are on this plane, and he was telling me that
they know a process in wich they can keep the cells of matter, or our
body, alive and renewing for a long, long time; and that they also
separate from matter, like we separate from matter, but it takes a much
longer time than for us, and what we call death they call a separation
frem matter...
They said
that when matter (corporeal matter) reaches a certain stage, when the
cells are no longer able to rejuvenate or reproduce themselves, and
when they do not have more reasons to continue alive, that they leave
the body and the matter is destroyed. And then they return into a new
body, in the body of a newborn (infant) by the same process as we do,
by sexual reproduction, though they have other processes also, but the
normal process of reproduction, the original process, is the most
perfect that exists, and it is the correct process. And when the new
matter is prepared (corporeal matter) it is transfused with the old
body knowledge so that all the kwowledge before, is maintained forever
and they do not lose their previous consciousness. They said that we
same thing happens to us. The only
thing that is different is that we are not conscious of the fact.
We kept
talking till the moment that he wanted to know about my faith, in what
I believed and do not believe. That was when we talked about our
spirit... I was telling him that my religion taught that in the event
of death or loss of the body, we would not be alive like a spirit, or
as a soul or energy, and at the time of death the body would be
destroyed, but the memories of our life lived as a human being, and the
good accowlished and good actions, and the will of God, would be
engraved in the God-memory, and we would await the noment of
resurrection, and then God would make a new body of matter again and
would incarnate in that body the previous personality and make it come
to life again. I was telling this to him, that this was taught by my
religion.
Rodolfo- And
what did he say?
Herninio- He
said that he would not tell me about that matter. He said the matter
(corporeal) of your body could not answer anything without any real
presence, and he was tellinq me that I should know myself, that I
should get out of my body in order to have the awareness of the
spiritual being that we all are, including him, himself. That we lost
that type of consciousness including other registers of knowledge,
because of a cosmic accident. That accident was responsible for our
separation and prevented the interchange that existed between many
races. We have suffered from that lack of interchange due to the
accident with planet Earth. That accident affected not only our planet,
but also all in the system. It was affected by the excess radiation
that came from our sun. Karran said that in a time already lost in the
ages our sun gave out many solar explosions on a large scale, and the
explosions generated a great energywave that blew up the protective
systems of our planet. A system of radiation filters was broken. And
these excesses of radiation in pulsating waves, has pushed our planet
from its original position in space, and at the same time the earth
suffered an acceleration in its movements, and shifted its own axis. An
overflow of sea waters in great tidal waves reached high levels and
cities and habitation centers that existed here before. And the seas
destroying these life centers seriously damaged this planet, destroying
almost everything that was here... at that time. (Same told by in some
of the rampa-books - study them on lobsang-rampa.net rø-remark)
But the major consequence of
that were not the material damage, but the excess of radiation
penetrating the matter body of the arrivals. He said that the brain
activity was diminished and we lost our ....... We lost the register of
knowledge of ourselves, we lost the knowledge of ourselves and we
became brutes, aggressive... We became like ....... And he said that
the excess of radiation created a magnetic barrier between this system
and their system, and they could not get through that barrier, and that
it took almost 3,000 years (of our time) till they could come through
again. They did not come through during that time because of the excess
radiation, which was damaging to them.
"Something that I found very
interesting, Casellato, he said that a strong register (memory) was
kept very strong in the minds of the people of this planet, by the
survivors. He said two registers were alive in the minds of the people.
One was a natural register that is very strong, and even the solar
radiation did not destroy it.
It was greatly diminished
but not erased. And the other is in trauma. That is the register of God
existence, of a Creator, of Something Superior. Even with their minds
fogged by their diminished brain activities, by the lack of activity in
memory, man looks for God. As a result of this trauma, every time they
approached the inhabitants of this planet they were received as if they
were Gods and were adored as Gods come from Heaven (the sky) They were
persecuted by others, and sometimes attacked, in fear as a result of
the trauma. He said that we are descendents of 11 other races that came
from many of the inhabited planets, and came to our Earth. And I am
going to use a word that I don't much like --They colonized,
they built inhabited centers here. Each race had its own way
of living, their own technology, but they lived in peace with each
other. The Earth was then in its own correct position, which did not
offer danger to the minds of the people!
"And he said that many of
these races disappeared --after that accident, the cosmic accident. And
after all this a new 12th race emerged in this land.
Rodolfo- Did they mix their
own race with us? Was there any race here at that time?
Herminio- No, there was no
other race here at that time.
They
supplied the matter for the new race, in order for a new race to be
formed here, but a few people survived, so we may say that there were
some people here. He said that the races that were here at the
beginning of the accident expected that craft would arrive in the sky,
and would take them away frem this planet, but they did not know, or
were not conscious of the magnetic barrier that existed at that time
which originated from the solar activity and prohibited the outsiders
frwn coming in. Help could not come in and the people who were here
could not get out. And that expectation, that salvation would come from
the sky, was registered in the minds even till today... You may note
this in all the religions of Earth. And they teach that we will depart
to the sky...
"And he
continued, saying that this is deeply engraved in our memories, and we
still hope today that they will come to save us from this Earth, that
they will come to solve our problems, and to remove us from here. All
the religions, he said, in one way or another teach something like
that. They teach us that when we die we go to Heaven (the sky), and
that Jesus will come from Heaven (again the sky), and will take us to
Heaven. Some say that we are exiled from other planets, that we are
here to pay for our sins, and so on. The theories are many. Perhaps
they do agree in some respects with what Karran said... about that...
***
"When we
returned to Earth we found that we had been missing for two days, which
we were not even aware of. We had talked a lot with Karran. He taught
us many new things. We were feeling, and still feel, like we had taken
a trip into the future where we saw and touched things, marvelous
things, fantastic things. And then we returned to the past, and the
past is our present, in which we are living now... and we can do almost
nothing about it. We are plagued with a burning question.. Why?
Why? We know
a few things. We know how to do a few things. I teach those techniques
in this school, here in Sao Paulo. We teach people to know themselves,
because they said that the elevation of the consciousness of man on
this planet, is going to bring us closer to them. It would not be a
military contact. It would not be a government to government contact,
nor from people to people, but a
contact with a humanity thinking with a different head, thinking the
way they think.
(interpreted
as with people incarneated here - WHO UNDERSTAND THIS, AND BRING THIS
OUT TO THE MATURE ONES- RØ.remark)
***
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Another
remarkable case in Botucatu
Intro - we
know from esp. " UFO Abduction At Botucatu" that much ufo activity
seemed to be ongong there in that region. Here another case some years
ahead of that other, in that same city in Brazil. And so one could
speculate if this early visit there, was a kind of prepartion for those
that happend later…? link
the MARINGA-ABDUCTION CASE
